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Friday, November 13, 2015
Morgoth Returns?
What if somehow Morgoth escaped from the Void and returned to Middle-earth? Is this even a remote possibility? There is the implication at the end of the LOTR that evil has been eradicated from ME forever. Of course my mind starts conceiving of its return.. like how Voldemort cleverly preserves himself in Harry Potter. Could Morgoth ever come back?
4 comments:
I seem to remember that in the Silmarillion legendarium, Tolkien alludes to an end of the world event similar to the Norse Ragnarok. At the end of Middle-earth, Morgoth will return from the Void for the final battle between good and evil, and possibly Arda will be returned to its original, unmarred state. We also know that several famous heroes of Middle-earth, such as Turin Turambar, will be resurrected to join the fight.
As far as evil in Middle-earth for now, my impression is that the cycles of good and evil have been getting weaker, so I don't think an evil as terrible as Morgoth or even Sauron will happen again until the end of the world. It is even possible that good and evil will become more muddled and difficult to separate from each other as both sides become less and less intense with the passage of time.
The void also seems to represent the direct influence of Illuvatar. If the void was breakable, Morgoth would already have returned. However, as Illuvatar can turn him back out of it, mentioned above in the comments, I would assume that as all things in Arda, the void moves only on Illuvatar's will. So it is mutable. It does seem to have a physical location though.
Dagor Dagorath. The return of the nameless darkness. Tolkien never truly explicated this within his published works, but within the unfinished tales, he speaks of the Ragnorok-esque end of the world, where in Turin Turambar, the valar, and the free peoples of Middle Earth will face the darkness, and prevail, finally ending the darkness forever.
Turin Turambar is actually the one who will defeat Melkor. The entire prophecy is better detailed on some other sites.
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath
Wow how interesting- I have never looked into Tolkien’s eschatology before. I suppose it makes perfect sense that he would be attracted to an epic end like the Norse Ragnarok. How weird that Turin is supposed to be the final hero! He is most tragic of Tolkien’s characters in Middle-earth, I guess it fits that he is involved in the tragic ending as well. Too bad we’ll never have a copy of that book! The end times of Middle-earth.. that could have been a really interesting endeavor for a creative project, writing Tolkien’s Ragnarok. Hmm...
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